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	<title>Comments on: Hello Speed, Beauty &#038; Brains - Goodbye Alexa</title>
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	<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/</link>
	<description>Thought stream from SmugMug's CEO &#38; Chief Geek</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Socrates Maura</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-62677</link>
		<dc:creator>Socrates Maura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We're going thru the same shift and, yes, our alexa rank plummeted from a 33k to 78k when we moved some of our beta pages to Ajax applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re going thru the same shift and, yes, our alexa rank plummeted from a 33k to 78k when we moved some of our beta pages to Ajax applications.</p>
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		<title>By: SmugBlog: Don MacAskill &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Browser History - How we did it (as told by Yahoo)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-37900</link>
		<dc:creator>SmugBlog: Don MacAskill &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Browser History - How we did it (as told by Yahoo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been hounding GreenJimmy, our resident Web SuperHero, to write up our approach to solving the Browser History problem when using AJAX apps. I wrote in broad terms about our solution (and how it worked on Safari, the tough one, in addition to Internet Explorer, Firefox, etc), and promised that Jimmy would update his blog with a detailed explanation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been hounding GreenJimmy, our resident Web SuperHero, to write up our approach to solving the Browser History problem when using AJAX apps. I wrote in broad terms about our solution (and how it worked on Safari, the tough one, in addition to Internet Explorer, Firefox, etc), and promised that Jimmy would update his blog with a detailed explanation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SmugBlog: Don MacAskill &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Browser History</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-37584</link>
		<dc:creator>SmugBlog: Don MacAskill &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Browser History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Today, the YUI blog mentions they&#8217;ve released a great new version. As you probably know, we&#8217;re a huge fan of YUI - we couldn&#8217;t have done our fantastic new UI without it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Today, the YUI blog mentions they&#8217;ve released a great new version. As you probably know, we&#8217;re a huge fan of YUI - we couldn&#8217;t have done our fantastic new UI without it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-33316</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was curious why you picked the Yahoo toolkit over Dojo and the other libraries out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious why you picked the Yahoo toolkit over Dojo and the other libraries out there.</p>
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		<title>By: onethumb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-33312</link>
		<dc:creator>onethumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Niall:

That's an artifact from the old site that we haven't gotten rid of yet.  Most links do not contain the page # and the photo # in them anymore - just the root reference (gallery #, popular scope, etc) and then the photo # after the hash.

We'll track down the remaining lagged ones and sort them out.

Still doesn't solve the urchinTracker problem, though, AFAICT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Niall:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an artifact from the old site that we haven&#8217;t gotten rid of yet.  Most links do not contain the page # and the photo # in them anymore - just the root reference (gallery #, popular scope, etc) and then the photo # after the hash.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll track down the remaining lagged ones and sort them out.</p>
<p>Still doesn&#8217;t solve the urchinTracker problem, though, AFAICT.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-33305</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://blogs.smugmug.com/onethumb/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-33302" rel="nofollow"&gt;onethumb&lt;/a&gt;,

Your example refers to page "123" containing a subsection identifier of "456."

Looking at a real SmugMug example such as &lt;a href="http://www.smugmug.com/popular/today/1/124727245" rel="nofollow"&gt;today's popular picture of a Wren&lt;/a&gt;, I see you are referencing the originally loaded URL as the page identifier, and then treating each subsequently loaded picture as a referenced subsection. Example: 124727245#53105411

It would make more sense to me if you instead used the URL of each picture being loaded, changing the displayed URL of the second picture to just 53105411, as the entire page has changed to represent that picture and its associated data, including the photographer, set, comments, etc. When that URL is shared you would be better representing the photographer and better tracking his photos by using his photo as the loaded page URL.

Basically what I'm saying is the destination photo becomes the newly loaded "page" loaded into urchinTracker and the last "page" is the referrer. Currently the entrance point receives too much weight, especially in the user-facing display URL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blogs.smugmug.com/onethumb/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-33302" rel="nofollow">onethumb</a>,</p>
<p>Your example refers to page &#8220;123&#8243; containing a subsection identifier of &#8220;456.&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking at a real SmugMug example such as <a href="http://www.smugmug.com/popular/today/1/124727245" rel="nofollow">today&#8217;s popular picture of a Wren</a>, I see you are referencing the originally loaded URL as the page identifier, and then treating each subsequently loaded picture as a referenced subsection. Example: 124727245#53105411</p>
<p>It would make more sense to me if you instead used the URL of each picture being loaded, changing the displayed URL of the second picture to just 53105411, as the entire page has changed to represent that picture and its associated data, including the photographer, set, comments, etc. When that URL is shared you would be better representing the photographer and better tracking his photos by using his photo as the loaded page URL.</p>
<p>Basically what I&#8217;m saying is the destination photo becomes the newly loaded &#8220;page&#8221; loaded into urchinTracker and the last &#8220;page&#8221; is the referrer. Currently the entrance point receives too much weight, especially in the user-facing display URL.</p>
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		<title>By: onethumb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-33302</link>
		<dc:creator>onethumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Niall:

Yes, except there's a bug (or design?) in Google Analytics that drops everything after the hash, which nukes most AJAX apps tracking:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/123#456 becomes http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/123, and so does every other "page" in that gallery.

We've worked around it, but it's nasty.  We'd love to a real fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Niall:</p>
<p>Yes, except there&#8217;s a bug (or design?) in Google Analytics that drops everything after the hash, which nukes most AJAX apps tracking:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/123#456" rel="nofollow">http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/123#456</a> becomes <a href="http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/123" rel="nofollow">http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/123</a>, and so does every other &#8220;page&#8221; in that gallery.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve worked around it, but it&#8217;s nasty.  We&#8217;d love to a real fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-33292</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can track JavaScript events using the &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/support/analytics/bin/answer.py?answer=27244" rel="nofollow"&gt;urchinTracker JavaScript function in Google Analytics&lt;/a&gt; or Urchin. Just pass along the new permalink you've loaded whenever you feel the new "page" loaded is statistically significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can track JavaScript events using the <a href="http://www.google.com/support/analytics/bin/answer.py?answer=27244" rel="nofollow">urchinTracker JavaScript function in Google Analytics</a> or Urchin. Just pass along the new permalink you&#8217;ve loaded whenever you feel the new &#8220;page&#8221; loaded is statistically significant.</p>
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		<title>By: onethumb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-33282</link>
		<dc:creator>onethumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yahoo Maps is probably a good example, yeah.  

Yahoo Mail (Oddpost) and Windows Live Mail aren't released products, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo Maps is probably a good example, yeah.  </p>
<p>Yahoo Mail (Oddpost) and Windows Live Mail aren&#8217;t released products, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mihai Parparita</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/01/22/hello-speed-beauty-brains-goodbye-alexa/#comment-33281</link>
		<dc:creator>Mihai Parparita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on the launch, but I wanted to point out that Yahoo Maps, Yahoo Mail, Windows Live Mail and possibly other sites have all moved on from HTML UIs to AJAX ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on the launch, but I wanted to point out that Yahoo Maps, Yahoo Mail, Windows Live Mail and possibly other sites have all moved on from HTML UIs to AJAX ones.</p>
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