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	<title>Comments on: Amazon Flexible Payment Service (FPS)</title>
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		<title>By: Oyvind</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/08/04/amazon-flexible-payment-service-fps/comment-page-1/#comment-59866</link>
		<dc:creator>Oyvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are going to use Amazon FPS to pay us when people buy our photos, why not simply say it? I signed up for a test drive, and everything looks way cool. Until I discover that I get paid by cheque, something I haven&#039;t seen here in Europe since the end of the 80s... Real showstopper.

With Amazon FPS, I&#039;m back in! And happy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to use Amazon FPS to pay us when people buy our photos, why not simply say it? I signed up for a test drive, and everything looks way cool. Until I discover that I get paid by cheque, something I haven&#8217;t seen here in Europe since the end of the 80s&#8230; Real showstopper.</p>
<p>With Amazon FPS, I&#8217;m back in! And happy!</p>
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		<title>By: Some thoughts about Amazon&#8217;s Flexible Payment System &#124; #comments</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/08/04/amazon-flexible-payment-service-fps/comment-page-1/#comment-59805</link>
		<dc:creator>Some thoughts about Amazon&#8217;s Flexible Payment System &#124; #comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Ran across the blog post announcing this bad boy. They say all the right things - except for the major issue of the UI pipeline - this service sounds incredibly compelling. I also found Don&#8217;s position on this on his SmugMug blog - my views seem pretty close to his, although he&#8217;s found a mysterious way to use FPS where the pipeline isn&#8217;t a show stopper for him, definitely curious to see how he uses it. Both posts are well worth checking out. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] UPDATE: Ran across the blog post announcing this bad boy. They say all the right things &#8211; except for the major issue of the UI pipeline &#8211; this service sounds incredibly compelling. I also found Don&#8217;s position on this on his SmugMug blog &#8211; my views seem pretty close to his, although he&#8217;s found a mysterious way to use FPS where the pipeline isn&#8217;t a show stopper for him, definitely curious to see how he uses it. Both posts are well worth checking out. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don MacAskill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/08/04/amazon-flexible-payment-service-fps/comment-page-1/#comment-59782</link>
		<dc:creator>Don MacAskill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@matt:

I totally get that, but I&#039;m afraid it&#039;s not really an option.   There are a lot of reasons, but the two biggest are:

The whole reason Amazon (and PayPal and Google) force you to hop over to their UI for a little while  when using their payment services is  that accepting, processing, and supporting credit cards is a dicey proposition.

Consumers freak out when they see charges on their cards for companies they don&#039;t know, and they end up rejecting the charges.  If they didn&#039;t know SmugMug was who was going to be on their card, we&#039;d lose a lot of money.

Secondly, we get a *lot* of orders that comprise prints &amp; gifts from multiple Pros.  So how do we do a style&#039;d shopping cart with multiple Pros jockeying for the prime position?

Anyway, the issue gets even more complex than that once you get down into the nitty gritty details, I&#039;m afraid.

I&#039;m certainly not complaining about Amazon or PayPal&#039;s approach - I completely understand why they do what they do.  I just don&#039;t want to use them, and luckily, I have that option.  I&#039;m afraid my customers, too, have the option of going elsewhere - and some do.

Thanks for the feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@matt:</p>
<p>I totally get that, but I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s not really an option.   There are a lot of reasons, but the two biggest are:</p>
<p>The whole reason Amazon (and PayPal and Google) force you to hop over to their UI for a little while  when using their payment services is  that accepting, processing, and supporting credit cards is a dicey proposition.</p>
<p>Consumers freak out when they see charges on their cards for companies they don&#8217;t know, and they end up rejecting the charges.  If they didn&#8217;t know SmugMug was who was going to be on their card, we&#8217;d lose a lot of money.</p>
<p>Secondly, we get a *lot* of orders that comprise prints &#038; gifts from multiple Pros.  So how do we do a style&#8217;d shopping cart with multiple Pros jockeying for the prime position?</p>
<p>Anyway, the issue gets even more complex than that once you get down into the nitty gritty details, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly not complaining about Amazon or PayPal&#8217;s approach &#8211; I completely understand why they do what they do.  I just don&#8217;t want to use them, and luckily, I have that option.  I&#8217;m afraid my customers, too, have the option of going elsewhere &#8211; and some do.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback!</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/08/04/amazon-flexible-payment-service-fps/comment-page-1/#comment-59780</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

First, I love SmugMug and have recently signed up with a Pro account to start my photography business. You offer a great service, very helpful people and some fantastic features. So, I&#039;m a fan.

I just want to comment on one aspect of the service that I would like to see improved, and your thoughts on PayPal above reflect exactly how I feel about my brand, though. I want to be able to control my users&#039; (customers) experience and interface just like you want to control yours.

Currently I can&#039;t do that with the SmugMug branded shopping cart / checkout and order fulfillment and follow-up services. I don&#039;t want to necessarily hide the fact that I&#039;m partnering with SmugMug, but I want to be able to at least control the color schemes, messages and overall feel of the ordering process.

I know there&#039;s chatter about this in the forums, but I just wanted to point out that your customers feel the same way about their brand as you feel about yours.

Thanks for the great blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>First, I love SmugMug and have recently signed up with a Pro account to start my photography business. You offer a great service, very helpful people and some fantastic features. So, I&#8217;m a fan.</p>
<p>I just want to comment on one aspect of the service that I would like to see improved, and your thoughts on PayPal above reflect exactly how I feel about my brand, though. I want to be able to control my users&#8217; (customers) experience and interface just like you want to control yours.</p>
<p>Currently I can&#8217;t do that with the SmugMug branded shopping cart / checkout and order fulfillment and follow-up services. I don&#8217;t want to necessarily hide the fact that I&#8217;m partnering with SmugMug, but I want to be able to at least control the color schemes, messages and overall feel of the ordering process.</p>
<p>I know there&#8217;s chatter about this in the forums, but I just wanted to point out that your customers feel the same way about their brand as you feel about yours.</p>
<p>Thanks for the great blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Don MacAskill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/08/04/amazon-flexible-payment-service-fps/comment-page-1/#comment-59440</link>
		<dc:creator>Don MacAskill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim:

Like I said, we&#039;re not using the &quot;checkout&quot; feature of FPS.   The reason why is that we don&#039;t like to relinquish our user-interface to 3rd parties, including Amazon.

We&#039;re doing something different with FPS instead...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim:</p>
<p>Like I said, we&#8217;re not using the &#8220;checkout&#8221; feature of FPS.   The reason why is that we don&#8217;t like to relinquish our user-interface to 3rd parties, including Amazon.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re doing something different with FPS instead&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Amazon FPS, does the &quot;checkout&quot; still happen on *your* site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Amazon FPS, does the &#8220;checkout&#8221; still happen on *your* site?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Barr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/08/04/amazon-flexible-payment-service-fps/comment-page-1/#comment-59344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Barr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Don, we have a very strict &quot;no shrug&quot; policy on my team!

Seriously, thanks for the post; we will look forward to seeing FPS in action on SmugMug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Don, we have a very strict &#8220;no shrug&#8221; policy on my team!</p>
<p>Seriously, thanks for the post; we will look forward to seeing FPS in action on SmugMug.</p>
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		<title>By: Don MacAskill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/08/04/amazon-flexible-payment-service-fps/comment-page-1/#comment-59332</link>
		<dc:creator>Don MacAskill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joey,

Thanks so much for the kind words!  It&#039;s comments like these that make me want to post more details more often. 

Thanks a lot!  Do holler if there are any specific questions you have - if you&#039;ve got them, chances are other people do as well.  :)

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joey,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the kind words!  It&#8217;s comments like these that make me want to post more details more often. </p>
<p>Thanks a lot!  Do holler if there are any specific questions you have &#8211; if you&#8217;ve got them, chances are other people do as well.  <img src='http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Joey MacArthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey MacArthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too was very excited about Amazon&#039;s FPS.  Having control even at a minute micro-transaction level changes the ballgame.  I&#039;ve been working on casual entertainment titles for years and the problem has always been, &quot;well, it&#039;s great to get a .20 cent sale on a new wig for your avatar... but how the heck do we actually get paid for that.

Nintendo, Sony -- all of them have subscription plans that require a user to pay in advance (usually $10+).   But that doesn&#039;t really capture the spirit of the casual consumer or micro-payment target segment.

Anyhow, I&#039;ve been impressed with your site and been tracking in for months.  I was thinking yesterday, &quot;I wonder when SmugMug will use this.&quot;

I&#039;ve got a project we&#039;re working on and are at the &quot;funding&quot; stages.  But from the ground up and with every quarter I have left -- I plan on finding the right combination of tools to truly scale with our customer.  Your site has been a real encouragement and uplift -- especially when we&#039;ve been hit with, &quot;There&#039;s no way -- you&#039;d need millions in investment for server architecture alone.&quot;  I wish to prove them all wrong.  I do now carry a few printouts from your blog when I talk to my geekoid friends.  

Thanks for the inspiration and the non-direct mentoring.  We need any and all help we can get.  And your blog is where I go when I need a little push.

Peace.

-Joey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too was very excited about Amazon&#8217;s FPS.  Having control even at a minute micro-transaction level changes the ballgame.  I&#8217;ve been working on casual entertainment titles for years and the problem has always been, &#8220;well, it&#8217;s great to get a .20 cent sale on a new wig for your avatar&#8230; but how the heck do we actually get paid for that.</p>
<p>Nintendo, Sony &#8212; all of them have subscription plans that require a user to pay in advance (usually $10+).   But that doesn&#8217;t really capture the spirit of the casual consumer or micro-payment target segment.</p>
<p>Anyhow, I&#8217;ve been impressed with your site and been tracking in for months.  I was thinking yesterday, &#8220;I wonder when SmugMug will use this.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a project we&#8217;re working on and are at the &#8220;funding&#8221; stages.  But from the ground up and with every quarter I have left &#8212; I plan on finding the right combination of tools to truly scale with our customer.  Your site has been a real encouragement and uplift &#8212; especially when we&#8217;ve been hit with, &#8220;There&#8217;s no way &#8212; you&#8217;d need millions in investment for server architecture alone.&#8221;  I wish to prove them all wrong.  I do now carry a few printouts from your blog when I talk to my geekoid friends.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the inspiration and the non-direct mentoring.  We need any and all help we can get.  And your blog is where I go when I need a little push.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
<p>-Joey</p>
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