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	<title>Comments on: The Sky is Falling!  MySQL charging for features!</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tao Shen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/04/16/the-sky-is-falling-mysql-charging-for-features/#comment-102969</link>
		<dc:creator>Tao Shen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 10:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Don:

Nice post.  I have been against this since the beginning.  Some people say it's Sun's fault that they wanted more ways to generate revenue.  But the enterprise edition was created before Sun's acquisition, and the culprit was "enterprise edition" which hid the newest versions from community edition, which is pushing it for GPL.

I have posted on the Xen board too regarding the Xen Server "Express", "Standard", and "enterprise" editions.  Basically the same model.  I doubt that model will ultimately work for Open Source.

Some people say that you could switch to PostgreSQL.  I disagree because PostgreSQL is doing the same things as what MySQL just started doing.  It is called "EnterpriseDB" and "Greenplum".  Another way to look at it is that MySQL started a commercial fork of MySQL within the walls of MySQL AB(SUN) and named it MySQL Enterprise.  For that they "control" when and how the feature gets diluted into the community to maximize the revenue for each new feature they develop.  For that, they will pay a hefty intangible price. Jon Schwartz better wake up before the revenue stream dries up because people seems other "open source" solutions and thus no longer need "support".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Don:</p>
<p>Nice post.  I have been against this since the beginning.  Some people say it&#8217;s Sun&#8217;s fault that they wanted more ways to generate revenue.  But the enterprise edition was created before Sun&#8217;s acquisition, and the culprit was &#8220;enterprise edition&#8221; which hid the newest versions from community edition, which is pushing it for GPL.</p>
<p>I have posted on the Xen board too regarding the Xen Server &#8220;Express&#8221;, &#8220;Standard&#8221;, and &#8220;enterprise&#8221; editions.  Basically the same model.  I doubt that model will ultimately work for Open Source.</p>
<p>Some people say that you could switch to PostgreSQL.  I disagree because PostgreSQL is doing the same things as what MySQL just started doing.  It is called &#8220;EnterpriseDB&#8221; and &#8220;Greenplum&#8221;.  Another way to look at it is that MySQL started a commercial fork of MySQL within the walls of MySQL AB(SUN) and named it MySQL Enterprise.  For that they &#8220;control&#8221; when and how the feature gets diluted into the community to maximize the revenue for each new feature they develop.  For that, they will pay a hefty intangible price. Jon Schwartz better wake up before the revenue stream dries up because people seems other &#8220;open source&#8221; solutions and thus no longer need &#8220;support&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernd Eckenfels</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/04/16/the-sky-is-falling-mysql-charging-for-features/#comment-102627</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernd Eckenfels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not, that they try to get commercial features. The Problem is a licensing problem. Those features cant accept patches and most likely the license will not be GPL compatible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not, that they try to get commercial features. The Problem is a licensing problem. Those features cant accept patches and most likely the license will not be GPL compatible.</p>
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		<title>By: MySQL&#8217;s non-GPL adventure &#124; All things Sysadmin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/04/16/the-sky-is-falling-mysql-charging-for-features/#comment-102614</link>
		<dc:creator>MySQL&#8217;s non-GPL adventure &#124; All things Sysadmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Enterprise customers. A lot of people have been writing about it, Jeremy Cole, Vadim Tkachenko and Don MacAskill and they all have valid points in both [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Enterprise customers. A lot of people have been writing about it, Jeremy Cole, Vadim Tkachenko and Don MacAskill and they all have valid points in both [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pligg.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/04/16/the-sky-is-falling-mysql-charging-for-features/#comment-102602</link>
		<dc:creator>pligg.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Taevas kukub alla! MySQL võtab raha!...&lt;/strong&gt;

MySQL on hakanud aina rohkem kommertsialiseeruma. On välja öeldud plaan osad funktsioonid ainult raha eest saadavaks teha....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Taevas kukub alla! MySQL võtab raha!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>MySQL on hakanud aina rohkem kommertsialiseeruma. On välja öeldud plaan osad funktsioonid ainult raha eest saadavaks teha&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/04/16/the-sky-is-falling-mysql-charging-for-features/#comment-102601</link>
		<dc:creator>Cor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very happy that MySQL is going to add features to the Enterprise version and not to the community version. I believe that eventually those features will make it to the community version as well, at which time the paying enterprise customers will have thoroughly alpha tested it for all of us :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very happy that MySQL is going to add features to the Enterprise version and not to the community version. I believe that eventually those features will make it to the community version as well, at which time the paying enterprise customers will have thoroughly alpha tested it for all of us <img src='http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lukas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/04/16/the-sky-is-falling-mysql-charging-for-features/#comment-102599</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but you are not making the least bit of sense. The point is that there is no real "community" version. There are two versions maintained by one company. So if the community does implement a feature only available in the Enterprise Edition atm, then there is no way for the community to force that feature in.

The only option is to start a fork, that however is not really feasible either, since we would end up with all sorts of forks and patches flying around, that would get little QA (especially not when multiple of those patches get applied). So I guess the only way out is for the community to do a proper fork where the community pools its ressources. This will inevitably lead to incompatibilities with what the Sun/MySQL guys are doing. This would not be a "good" fork in the sense that its an opportunity, it would just lead to redundant efforts that are incompatible with eachother. That being said, it cannot be in the interest of Sun/MySQL to get to this point. And honestly if MySQL insists on going down this path, I would assume that as PostgreSQL keeps going at its current pace, while MySQL splits its development (and QA ressources) across two products, sooner or later hackers and users will start migrating over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but you are not making the least bit of sense. The point is that there is no real &#8220;community&#8221; version. There are two versions maintained by one company. So if the community does implement a feature only available in the Enterprise Edition atm, then there is no way for the community to force that feature in.</p>
<p>The only option is to start a fork, that however is not really feasible either, since we would end up with all sorts of forks and patches flying around, that would get little QA (especially not when multiple of those patches get applied). So I guess the only way out is for the community to do a proper fork where the community pools its ressources. This will inevitably lead to incompatibilities with what the Sun/MySQL guys are doing. This would not be a &#8220;good&#8221; fork in the sense that its an opportunity, it would just lead to redundant efforts that are incompatible with eachother. That being said, it cannot be in the interest of Sun/MySQL to get to this point. And honestly if MySQL insists on going down this path, I would assume that as PostgreSQL keeps going at its current pace, while MySQL splits its development (and QA ressources) across two products, sooner or later hackers and users will start migrating over there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Burton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/04/16/the-sky-is-falling-mysql-charging-for-features/#comment-102598</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record I want MySQL to make a TON of cash.  

However, in my experience (ironically) the proprietary code I pay for is a LOT less stable and reliable than Open Source.

SmugMug in this case is more of a web service and easier to charge for (similar to Spinn3r).

MySQL is about code.... I'm not really going to trust my company to code that I can't audit and fix and that hasn't been tested.

There's a reason Open Source works and it's not always about money.

Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record I want MySQL to make a TON of cash.  </p>
<p>However, in my experience (ironically) the proprietary code I pay for is a LOT less stable and reliable than Open Source.</p>
<p>SmugMug in this case is more of a web service and easier to charge for (similar to Spinn3r).</p>
<p>MySQL is about code&#8230;. I&#8217;m not really going to trust my company to code that I can&#8217;t audit and fix and that hasn&#8217;t been tested.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason Open Source works and it&#8217;s not always about money.</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Hayden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/04/16/the-sky-is-falling-mysql-charging-for-features/#comment-102597</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people get scared when the game changes as you never know if everything will go to shit. Look at firefox.. It always made money through the searchbox and since it has *always* done that people seem to care less. But I'll bet if FF finds some new way to make money people will start looking for their pitchforks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people get scared when the game changes as you never know if everything will go to shit. Look at firefox.. It always made money through the searchbox and since it has *always* done that people seem to care less. But I&#8217;ll bet if FF finds some new way to make money people will start looking for their pitchforks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bailey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/04/16/the-sky-is-falling-mysql-charging-for-features/#comment-102596</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't agree more, good writeup!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more, good writeup!</p>
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